I'd be intrigued to know, especially from the avid fans, what your top 10 is. I have no idea even what answers Dirtdog or Fiddler would give here. Maybe it's all the reunion malarky, but I've been listening to Machina I and II incessantly this week, and I had forgotten just how much those albums in particular meant to me. Perhaps more on why as the conversation unfolds. But here's my top 10, in no order:

Raindrops & Sunshowers
Perfect
Daphne Descends
Real Love
Let Me Give The World To You
Blue Skies Bring Tears (heavy version)
Stars Fall In
Heavy Metal Machine
Slow Dawn
Saturnine (Machina II EP1 version)
The Sacred And Profane
Le Deux Machina (synth city remix)

....Okay, that's 12, don't go above 12 though!

Mine would all be earlier stuff. Probably:

Hello Kitty Kat
I Am One
Geek USA
Cherub Rock
Soma
Tristessa
The cover of Landslide on Pisces Escariot
Silver f*ck
...

Actually, what I'm trying to say is 'all of Gish and most of Siamese Dream'.

Think that covers it.

Err...I'm a pop boy so...something like

1979
Spaceboy
Crush
Bury Me
Rhinocerous
Dancing In The Moonlight (from the Acoustic Daze bootleg)
Tonight, Tonight
Quiet
Siva
Drown (from Singles OST)

but then again, I adore James Iha's solo album...

Probably says a lot about them that 3 of us have had a go at it, and no song has been mentioned twice.

No many bands would have that happen, would they.

Oh man, this doesn't have to be in order does it? ummmmm

Bodies
Hello Kitty Cat
Slunk
Through the eyes of Ruby
Hummer
Bury Me
Geek USA
By Starlight
Where boys fear to tread
We only come out at night

Sorry I've ruined it by repeating songs already selected. Now wondering how I've left out soma, mayonaise and tristessa which I also really love. As expected i'm a Gish through to mellon collie guy.

i couldnt name 3 pumpkins songs let alone 10!

A cynic might suggest that is why you don't like them very much.

Corgan is an incredibly prolific writer, in fact I'd say the most prolific I've ever encountered. Pumpkins Phase I had a song count in quadruple figures - not to mention his stuff with earlier band The Marked, Zwan, his solo work which he's racked up quite a bit of during and after the Pumpkins, and now Pumpkins Phase II. So for someone to say that they couldn't name 3 Pumpkins songs I find astonishing! The Mellon Collie era was actually the most productive, hundreds and hundreds written around then. I think Cherry and Jennifer Ever are especially worth noting from that time.

Stars Fall In, which I listed, is actually a pre-Gish song - certainly worth checking out some of that stuff, after hearing some of those songs and then hearing Gish, you wonder how the f*ck some songs made it on that album and not others.

Jimmers and Al you should definitely listen to the heavy version of Blue Skies Bring Tears - it was on Machina II, the album they made 25 vinyl copies of and sent out to their mates to distribute on the net for free as a final f*ck you to Virgin (although the effect was somewhat dampened by then bringing out a 'Greatest Hits'). Anyway it's an absolute stomper and I'm sure you'll agree. And check out the aforementioned version of Saturnine (WAY better than the one on Judas O, the bonus CD to the Greatest Hits).

Disco King (the original version of The Everlasting Gaze) is also worth a mention, tres bona. Quite hard to track down but I'm sure it'll be on SLSK. You'd like White Spyder too (also from Machina II).

Another great thing about Corgan is he writes new versions of his tracks all the time. Many people call him a megalomaniac but I just think he's very driven, very creative, and is a full-scale engine room of new ideas, and gets frustrated when the people he's working with can't keep up. He makes music on such a prolific scale because he has to in order to feel like he exists, it's a survival instinct.

Can someone recommend me an album please?

I like pumpkins but i have cheaply only got the greatest hits..therefore i don't think i can properly comment on this!

When it comes to the Pumpkins I don't really believe in albums. I mean each album had a strong agenda and concept behind it, that is the way Corgan works, but I view them more like eras than albums, because of the sheer volume of songs recorded. There's just so many that didn't even get released and should have been over others in my view. Let Me Give The World To You would have been the most amazing single ever. Actually Ben you'd love that song, you really should download it! And Raindrops & Sunshowers (it's New Order and Depeche Mode combined). And Go (an Iha-written-and-sung song, it's beautiful).

What I would ultimately suggest Craig is to download some from the songs everyone's picked so far, then go from there.

ging my lover this is the most hardest thing for me my top ten changes all the time but hear we go

thirty three
tritessa
bodies
by starlight
perfect
we oly come out at night
porcealina
stand inside your love
soma
slunk




hen tomorrow i'll post my hoice fr that day lol

bullet with butterfly wings is the only good thing they've ever done, FACT

and for that you will die!!!!!1

Sorry Joe I didn't realise you had heard all of the 1000+ Pumpkins songs! There I was thinking you had time to listen to Cast!

Indeed a cynic might say that, but what a cynic might not of forseen is that i have heared far more than three songs they just have not had enough of an impact for me to remember their titles

To reel me in, you have to anger me, and alas me ol' Yorkshire Terrier I love ya too much for that to happen!

That prime fillet is an absolute beauty. Mr. Cod would beat his ass though.

i got duke, if i got you, i would of posted a red snapper lol

I think a cynic may have forseen that but would then suggest maybe you haven't heard the right ones......or something.

As for Joe you're not even fishing you're just making yourself look like an idiot. Imagine if you future wife read that post, she'd never even meet you in the first place.

we both know my future wife is bound to be into R'n'B and wont have a clue who the smashing pumpkins are

new album

http://rapidshare.com/files/40399107/smpzocstwosway.rar

taken down already mate. But hey at least its still flying around the torrent sites so if you look hard enough you can steal it already. (well i aint gonna spend money on it)

i'll probs get another link in a few hrs lol

any chance to stop corgan making more money out of his turgid attemp to rehash his old band and cash in with sh!t new songs.

i have always been against and nor been able to confirm a best gig as i have seen 1000s of bands and watched some great gigs , but last week i watched the pumpkins in london at this lo key show and it was prob the best show i have ever seen {my opinion} 31 songs about 9 new tracks the rest old ,
top 10 tracks , ummmmmmmm would have to make it top 40
in no order
blue,jenefer ever,crestfallen , perfect ,ugly, drown, slunk , tear , cherub rock , today, to shela, spiteface, hummer, mayonaise ,aeroplane flies high , disarm , blank page , i of the mourning , stand inside your love ,god, cash car star ,try try try {machina 2 version} white spider ,daphne descends,for martha ,porcelina of the vast oceans ,to forgive ,by starlight ,stumbleine , bullet with ,Bodies ,bye june, 33, 1979 , tonight tonight , love ., i am 1 , siva ,rhinoceros,landslide, tarantula
that was hard many many more classics left out,

It's the Smashing Pumpkins, Charlie Brown!
John Peel's legacy lives on, Billy Corgan has to rely on his to carry him through Zeitgeist
By Mike Appelstein and Annie Zaleski
Published: July 4, 2007

Those of you hoping that the Smashing Pumpkins' comeback record is an unmitigated disaster will be disappointed: It's not. Those of you afraid that head Pumpkin Billy Corgan made another The Future Embrace (his über-synthpop, somewhat cheesy solo album) will be happy: He didn't. With drummer Jimmy Chamberlin the lone member of the classic Pumpkins lineup remaining — a good move, as his influence keeps Zeitgeist reigned in and focused — Corgan embraces the quintessential hit-making calculus that brought him critical respect and rabid fandom in the early 1990s. Distortion, noise, heavily layered vocals and quiet-to-loud dynamics permeate the first half of Zeitgeist, only letting up briefly for one extended period of instrumental w@nkery — "United States," a song that ends up functioning as a transition into the second half of the album, which contains keyboard-heavy (and poppier) songs. Highlights include "That's the Way (My Love Is)," on which sheets of melodic guitar heavily influenced by wistful shoegazers like My Bloody Valentine dominate; the ghostly synthesizers (very Scary Monsters-era Bowie) and cloudy drones of "For God and Country"; and "Doomsday Clock," where guitars scream in like bottle-rockets and distort almost immediately, a nice companion to Chamberlin's Animal-from-The Muppet Show drumming. Sure, there are a few duds that sound like Smashing Pumpkins karaoke (blame weak songwriting and lame lyrics), and Zeitgeist's tricks aren't quite as revolutionary today as they were when SP debuted — similar to the way other grunge-era bands sound far less dangerous today than they did in 1993. But fans of a certain age (twenty- and thirty-somethings, mostly) who were inundated with Pumpkins music in high school and college will find Zeitgeist familiar, if not nostalgia-inducing. It'll be more interesting to see how a generation of kids weaned on bands influenced by the Pumpkins — especially Muse, Silversun Pickups and My Chemical Romance — respond to Corgan's distorto-pomp and

pretty much a dead dog of a record imo. Downloaded it (hell i wasnt going to buy it without hearing it first) needless to say i very much doubt i`ll be buying it in the near future unless i see it in a bargain bin for 20p which it`ll probably end up in at some point. Its a shame really cause i was kinda hoping the pumpkins "comeback" was going to be at least ok but it aint in fact its far from it. Mediocre drivel that only just manages to make it past corgans godawful solo album and the tedium and boredom that was zwan.

Zwan - great. Corgan solo album - great. Obviously not enough guitar solos and dirgy vibes.

Zeitgiest mein arsch.

in no special order because narrowing it down to ten is difficult enough...

bury me
geek usa
mayonnaise
soma
tristessa
bodies
siva
f*ck you (an ode to no one)
hello kitty kat
quiet

i'm very much with big gay Al on the comment that anything after mellon collie sucks balls. they lost it big style and they're clinging on to something best left alone.

as Al would say, when the hair went, the talent went. i'm a big believer in hair.

i've never understood why anyone likes the song thirty three. i always skip that and it's not that i don't like the softer stuff either. 'beautiful' is an amazing song as is they only come out of night.

anyone know of any awesome dvd's by/of them? i have the one with all the vids and i have vieuphoria, i just want some more ....

i love thirty three. plus adore is 1 of my fav albums,
i have about 150 pumpkins shows , about 25 r dvds , i could burn you a great 1 from the melon collie tour , can,t remember the date , but it is pro shot.

i'll take one too please.

33 is a beauty. What you talking about, Pearce?

still, they were never as good as cast

that would be lovely martin, can you get me a copy by wednesday's jam dya reckon? i'll pay for it if neccessary

33 just grinds against my very being.i don't rate it, that's all, but it is surrounded by glorious music so yu know, no big deal

will try but my comp is buggered but i am going to me mothers so could do it there.

just got Zeitgeist , listened to about half of it , won,t be able to tell if a fully like it untill i have heard it a few times , there is a melon collie sound to some of it , { kind of like we r clones and aeroplane flies high } its prity rock , well the first half , time will tell ,darker than i imagined

I heard Tarantula on the radio yesterday, can't say it struck me as anything new...sorta sounded like late pumpkins mixed with Zwan to me, but that was only on a first listen on a sh!tty radio

the new album is nothing new {but i like it} but then again when was the last time u listened to anything new... not sure there r anything left to do that has not been done ,
Tarantula is kind of zero/machina ish. been listening to the album alot liking it , there r 3 songs i don,t like as of now.

I listened to disc two in the car today and i'm with Pearce. Sandwiched between Bodies and In the arms of sleep it doesn't stand a chance.